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Tom, I think you weren't on Saturn. In an 8" dob the disc is very clearly seen, as are the rings. Lovely cream/yellow colour as well. Saw it the other night at a Summer School at 4am in an 8" SCT. Got all the "Oooohs and Aaaaahs" from the first timers who got up at that time. I also had it in a 4" short tube refractor. A lot smaller, but just as distinctive.
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