thanks heaps for your time guys. some good advice, the collapsable dob thing i havn't really looked into just because they appear a little more expensive, and i am looking at my fist real scope (+ i am still working on the wife). and the argo i really like the idea of, but as you said norm it's not cheap (actually more than the sopes i've been eying off. the 2" eyepiece thing is a must have from what i've seen, sean. i looked at a 40mm instore and i could imagine that to look through one would be almost like climbing in there. and that tip about a chair & 10" is bloody good advice, alex . and something i'm sure wouldn't have occured to me until my neck started to ache. and on that point, a 10" might be more family friendly too. is that what you have found alex? noting your reference to wife, kids,scope, happy. i like that. if you added beer to the list it would just about paint the picture of a perfect life.
