[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Hmmmm, Maybe I should wait for the book

Originally Posted by Nesti

Okay, chance is a probability, right?! But what if what we call probability, is simply a hidden mechanism which is juggling particles into a stable reality...then there is no probability, true?

Why true? I dont understand. Why do we need some mysterious hidden mechanism that replaces probablility but seems to do exactly what probability does. Whats the evidence for this or is it just conjecture?

No different in the situation of Chaos and Deterministic Chaos. The difference is that WE don't see or perhaps understand what's going on.

Freedom of choice is totally different.

Please dont take this the wrong way but I really wish you wouldnt keep saying that. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that chance, probability and freedom of choice are totally different

It doesn't kick-in when life evolves or beings become conscious, it starts when particles network and form associations (Oh God, here we go LOL). An association can be thought of as a sharing of energy through common frequencies (String Theory) even though the particles are spatial distant: [Spooky] Action at a Distance etc.

Ohh. This ones very hard. You must be using the expression "freedom of choice" in a way thats very different to the way its normally used. Inanimate, unthinking, unconscious, objects don't choose. These particles that network. Are they consciously networking or are they just comming together like a magnet might bring metal shavings together. In this latter sense one would not say that the metal shavings are exercising a choice (though some might say they are networking)

In the book I make a very, very clear distinction between conscious and consciousness. The latter is what we know, the former is something quite different and more fundamental. Conscious is an internal awareness of state and value, it goes no further. Consciousness is the application of those states and values and their evolution within extended numbers of interactions. So every interaction contains a piece of the history of all interactions that-that particle was involved in, as well as the others; a family tree of events, particles and states and values...a family tree of strings recording their previous interactions as overtones. The overtones provide a footprint, a map, a recording of that particle's history. This is where it is applied into the past and changing future. It's a harmonic overlay of what was, and what looks like it will be, which decides how to construct the now.

Again I might need to wait for the book to get this distinction clear in my head