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Originally Posted by avandonk
If we know so little about gravity Alex, how did those ignorant twits at NASA fly their probe through the Cassini division?
Bert
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Hi Bert nice to "see" you.
You know Bert I often ask myself the same question but I figure it this way.... I can find my way around the city with a street directory and I dont need to know who lives in what house or anything about the city at all...
but as uninformed as I am I simply follow the street directory...
now many folk could marvel at how smart I am to navigate the city??? but in truth I know little about it, the people in it or the function of the city... so as I see it fools can do big things and fools then claim because they have done their small deed they know it all...how presumptious if I were to say I know all about the city simply because I have managed to navigate my way thru it...so on that basis just because NASA did this or that does not impress me..give me their budget and I will impress you of that I am certain...but lets not call them ignorant..for they do the best with what they have at their disposal..and as we have already observed as far as gravity goes that is indeed very little..Saturn would not even require GR I expect just simple sums that need not action at a distance etc..and so we must say they did well because they did in fact do it...but according to their science they made certain predictions as to what their space craft would do when they left the solar system having passed thru the heliosphere...and I point to this because on this point they did not "do it"... they were wrong in their prediction because they held upon a notion that gravity sucked when as we all know it in fact pushes
..pushing creates a drag environment which will slow the craft which is what they did...If one could not entertain an aether one would never think they would slow..if one saw an aether slowing was inevitable..as it was and is...That was my prediction (I found my notes on it before the event but there was no date but I know what I said before the event and it is on the net someplace.. and although there are those who say without the math such a prediction is meaningless I say this..they did slow...I said they would slow...does that not mean they (NASA) could be wrong and in fact were wrong..that a mug (me) called it right because he saw the reality not the religiously constructed universe or the unrealistic math construction of our universe..were they wrong? were they? and I was right was I not... now I would not call them twits but I do say they got it absolutely wrong using their current science... I got it absolutely right because my universe depends on cause effect realities not mind games of men in lifts where men will never go in a lift... acceleration let in time and it has no place in the mix...
Bert I respect you more than most people..even though we have not met you seem like a cool fella and I marvel at the list of things you have done in your life.. you have my respect of that there is no question but if you still buy the lift thing you cant move forward on this subject... lets face it GR says little and as such leads us nowhere..the forces will not ..will never never never be united until gravity is defined with some realism and tangibility that relates it to a universe that does not depend on a man experiencing forces in a lift...if we are going to go with that mind game why dont we at least place a lift in space and observe the realities not the expectations of someone musing upon the Universe with the travel range and experience of a very very very ordinary man..a wonderful man but a very ordinary man, a man who I admire but a man nevertheless...so why can not another man..an outsider as they would say not come up with something "new"..well there is one reason why there is nothing new..well the answer is nothing..there is nothing to prevent a new and better idea or approach..history tells us that..and to think what we know now is all there is ...is simply stupid..and so I say throw out GR it sucks not gravity...it is the fear those with an idea seek to avoid..fear of ridicuel etc.. fortunately I dont get that it is a benefit of simple approach and simple assessment of matters..Anyone who has a go will get abuse etc so it is not available to those with no heart...I am confident of my ability to see thru the crap and meaningless info..and say that a man riding in a lift will reveal little about the mysteries of the universe... but dont call them guys at NASA twits they are the best of what is on offer it seems ..they get this dribble at school, and uni and with no original ideas science stays put... NASA was wrong I was right... but they are not twits... and nor am I a twit ..opinions deserve no qualification of their owner... ideas do not need verification upon the man who offered them ..they can stand or fall without relating them to the owner..his morals education etc..things hold water for their own merit not the experience etc of those presenting them... my ideas will stand of that
I am confident... I will back my sphere in space speculation against the lift each day every day... the math can not do anything but offer support...and in time I will get that support.
Still you missed my invitation to give a simple statement upon GR or an explanation as to how attraction works... clearing up either of these points I feel will take us futher than otherwise we have ventured to date
alex
