Ok so i have narrowed my first scope down to the following contestants after hours and hours of research/review reading/eliminations.
After i read this however i decided to make a decision
"Finally, avoid "paralysis-by-analysis." If you spend more than an hour a day reading telescope catalogs, you are probably in this category. Just get something; you'll feel a lot better."
Skywatcher SW680 Dobsonian - 8"/200mm, f6 - $499 from either Sirus Optics or York Optical.
Guan Sheng GS-680 - 8"/200mm, f6 - $499 from Andrews.
Or
Orion Skyquest XT - 4.5"/114mm - $499 from Sirus Optics.
So Just after any opinions and clearly the Orion is there in case brand between the listed makes that much of a difference, i know it can make a big difference with eye pieces.
PS i put away $200 last week so its not far away