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Thanks everyone!

Great report yep tiring first night out for a while http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/....milies/lol.gif
on visual magnitude for the 12" I think it's around 14.5
under perfect conditions
" as for IC 4766...I did managed spot this galaxy intermittently, it was very faint and difficult to observe. Magnitude???"
Mag is around 13.3
which under the conditions you described
is about the best you can get http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/....s/thumbsup.gif

I think the generally accepted limiting mag for a 12" scope is about 15.3. I've read in Sky and Tel that Stephen O'Meara has sighted the central star in M57 with a 9" refractor from a suburban location and Dave Knisley on CN has commented that he made mag 15.7 with 9.25" SCT (see here: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthrea...3/Main/2564868 ).

The galaxies and stars I mentioned were at high elevation and out here at Berwick light pollution is not as bad, the sky is still "black", not orange

Maybe ngcles can help us out here...