if you want a refractor on a budget try andrewscom.com.au and looka t the skywatcher 80x400. wont be great for planets (well not close anyway) but you shoud be able to get some good widefield shots.... but the 8" dob from the same place will let you see more but it weighs a bit tho and isnt as easy to lug around. that said tho, my 8" dob fits in my astra well enuff.
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