Im very happy with my skywatcher 8" dob.. Except no matter how much i water it (get dew on it at least...) It will not grow into a 12"
Bundled ep's were not horrible, but not fantastic either... if it will be your first look through a real telescope, they will blow you away...
Eric hit the nail on the head... a Cheshire collimation tool is one of those things that should be bundled with newtonian telescopes, but sadly, they are not... a 2x barlow is also very very useful...
Best of luck with which-ever you choose, You'll be impressed either way.
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