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I don't think you can beat the tv plossl in the price range, but in the 9mm range the eye relief is a bit tight. the 20mm is great. i had a meade 4000 plossl and was not impressed, but the meade uwa's are very good - but a step up in price. orion stratus are almost same as hyperions, the bintel ultra wide is probably ok for low magnification in a fast scope, but at high power is not recommended.
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