Yes guys I did have the mount saddle pointing E-W, caps off, shaft extended, light off and all systems go....... I just couldnt see any stars and Im confident I was pointing somewhere near the scp.
I wonder if the polar scope is out of focus? I haven't investigated yet if focus can be adjusted. Hmmmm. I'll certainly do the daytime alignment of the polar scope, but i doubt pointing upward at 38 degrees Im going to find any distant reference object so a close one will have to do
Thanks for the Tip Darryl and thanks Terry also for the verbose replies.