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[Kokatha Man] Thanks for the additional information regarding Urban VIII as it was detail of which I was unaware. As someone (Oscar Wilde?) once said, "I'm not young enough to know everything".
Regarding my comment relative to yours: Perhaps I was rash in suggesting that your comments in the last part of your post #8 were off subject. Having looked at them again I can see that you (I think) were referring to the intransigence of some to recognise the bleeding obvious.
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