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Originally Posted by Dujon
Ah, Kokatha man, I am not to be drawn into some sort of theological discourse on the rights and wrongs of church v state or their relative views and actions (or non-action). I think we should confine any discussion in this thread to science/state/secularity matters pertaining to the heavens (as opposed to heaven).
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Dujon's "reply" to my post is interesting to say the least, given GeoffW1's "thread-starter" and the ensuing commentaries; but particularly his own postings!
But I cracked up with that quote of yours' Alex -
The Church? Dark matter? , Dark energy? Mr Tuckey ????
- please don't tell me that your choice of those "entities" from the posts was mere happenstance, I just loved 'em!?! To me they sound like real Star Wars stuff for the good guys to struggle against!
As for Maffeo Berberini (Urban V111) his pre-papal personna (seemingly) underwent a dramatic transformation post-coronation: the Protestant War firing his warrior ambitions - he was by all accounts an arbitrary character full of his own authority who, as one of his contemporaries remarked "rarely convened (the Church's) Congregation of Faith except to cover up certain errors..." remarking that he "knew more than alll the cardinals put together".....and that "the judgement of one living pope was worth more than the maxims of a hundred dead ones...."
Galileo himself is certainly a formidable figure in the history of science: but to me the thing that amazes me were his abilities with a lead pipe and a couple of sad little lenses (one convex, one concave) that make my 10" GSO look like "state-of-art" optics - how he saw that which he did is staggering: maybe he did have some "upstairs" help afterall!