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Originally Posted by dugnsuz
Way to stifle uninformed debate with FACTS Night Owl!!! 
US = BAD
Rest of World = ? what ?
You neglected to state the catalog of horor perpetrated by other regimes in the name of their 'advancement'!
No dispute over the links you cited, but balance is imperative.
Cliche I know, but the fact that we can debate/discuss this stuff on public forums negates the conspiracy theory to a degree.
And, for conspiracy theory to hold, one must assume the government to be competent and functional enough to perpetrate the act, which seems a little far fetched - take a look around you...poor healthcare, education, infrastructure etc etc. If they can't even come close to getting that right...9/11 would be their only success!!!!!!
And, armed with all these web page links, all this accumulated knowledge of how evil WE are (they're our representatives after all - US/UK/AU) - what can you / we do !!??
Blog!!!??
Post diatribe in astronomy forums!!!??
I recently discussed a lot of this stuff (9/11 conspiracy) with a friend who is literate, well travelled, engaged in the events of today...I stated how I thought the US were complicit in the whole thing (albeit after watching these unbalanced YouTube docos) - his glazed expression and shoulder shrugs shocked me and brought me back to an uneasy reality...
Many don't care!
Many feel impotent - so much so that public expession of any contrary view to that repeated by the TV news is 'embarrasing'!!!!
Perhaps I'm playing devil's advocate in my own argument here, but maybe all the events stated in Night Owl's post have culminated in this selfish attitude of our western society?
Sleep tight!!!
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Sorry for putting forward any facts. I know facts don't have much place in anything the US does EG: Weapons of Mass Distraction, and BTW where is Osama? They can't find him either!
And I didn't know I had to present a catalogue of horrors. I thought I was discussing the WTC demise and the possiblity of the US goverment creating the WTC 'disaster' to justify the US going to war.
In any event isn't the absolute saturating abundance of western media owned presentations so accurately portraying just how evil the non western countries are enough!
And what's that about balance being imperative? For there to be any balance 50% of the media and programming in this country would have to be owned by Arabs from Middle Eastern Muslim countries. But it would appear that isn't going to happen for some reason. Channel 9 couldn't risk the TV ratings of The Footy Show competeing with that of Al Jazeera's top rating programs.
So there are no conspiracy theories, because we can discuss it in forums... How can that work? Or if it really was a conspiracy that every server with every forum would be scanned by the CIA, and shut down by their underground bunkers chockers full of highly trained forum hackers?
And I like your point about
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And, for conspiracy theory to hold, one must assume the government to be competent and functional enough to perpetrate the act, which seems a little far fetched - take a look around you...poor healthcare, education, infrastructure etc etc. If they can't even come close to getting that right...9/11 would be their only success!!!!!!"
They can get away with what they do BECAUSE of the poor health care, education, and infrastructure etc. etc.. Their poor huddled masses are so busy seeking out a minimum wage existence out of 'the bin of life' they don't have time to take their eyes off the poverty they live in year after year. Why do you think 95 or everything (including the media) in the US is owned by just 5% of the population? That 5% is the 5% who can rig the government to go to war for the factories that they own. Remember the BS about Cheeney and his involvement with Halliburton? Not only was Chenney responsible for convincing Bush to bomb Iraqs infrastructure flat, he's the same SOB also on the board of Halliburton, to be paid billions to rebuild what he recommended to blow up in the first place! Its almost like a Ben Elton book!
Remember this...
Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst3...ts/indust.html
I would say from the way the world looks today that the Military Industrial Complex eventually won.
Yeah, you're right, many people don't care, because they feel impotent. That's how 'they' get away with these outrageous conspiracies. They know people don't really care, as long as they can upsize Colonel McChucks latest gizzard burger, watch The Footy Show, and pay the banks 24% interest on their credit cards: everythings fine.
Well I don't think that way. I'm scared to death about how seriously screwed up this world is becasue of the way some in power think. And its becoming slowly obvious to some people that if humanity gets just a bit more screwy the whole planet could really end up a desolate wasteland, that is uninhabitable, except for life down near the volcanic vents perhaps...