Hi Ya Folks,
OK so I am up last night and still have yet to see a galaxy in the 12" dob so as I wanted a look at Saturn at about 1am I reckon M83 should be the target.
It looks great (the photos) so I start the hunt in earnest.......
....and keep looking....
...and looking. Nada - Zippo - naught!!!!
Maybe spent an hour trying to fing the damn thing without luck. Now I had Stellarium on the PC in side (with lights off inside to try and keep dark adaption) and I am back and forth etc. Now I reckon I was looking in the right place (or places

) but I got nothing.
Should I have been able to find it easily last night? What sort of eye peice should I be using? I was mostly using the finderscope and then with either the 32 or 25mm.
Bit disappointed so next time I will have to set the lappy up outside and track from damn star to star
Whats the best way to tell what I could/should be able to see (go off magnitude etc.)?
TIA