With regard to Bintel, yes, that was my experience.
The Orion collimating tool is a combined sight tube/Cheshire.
I can only say that the person with the Andrews' Cheshire looked through the Orion and said it didn't look very good, then brought out his Andrews Cheshire (which wasn't as long as the Orion as I recall), and we both agreed it provided a much better view.
However, I'm quite willing to accept that there is something wrong with my eyes
