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Old 24-12-2007, 07:54 PM
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Gravity does not Suck

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A finite Universe suggests a plan and the possibility of some entity making the plan..an infinite Universe needs no plan but is beyond our comprehension of how such could be so.

I can see no explanation other than a infinite Universe... this means there was no start, it always was and has been... humans can not entertain this because it is beyond explanation. Our belief in our sophistication will prevent us from admitting we can not know.

The popularity of the Big Bang is simply that humans can quantify the Universe and say that it started at a point... however once the point of this start has been established the question is raised what was there before..no one wishes to go there because it demands more than we can know.

I think the theory comforts believers because it reaches such a point.. a point where they can say ..well it was God who set the stage..it comforts scientists because it lets them labour upon the mistaken belief that they can work it out... irrespective of their sums and observations it remains an educated guess.

However a big bang suits humans because it makes them feel as if they have solved the issue..they have not... big bangers leave the probem of the start by commenting upon only a few milli seconds after their "start" and of course such a result is no knowlege at all .

Without a better understanding of how things work how can we speculate and say we are certain...the standard model for particle structure is the best we have yet it is hoplessly inadequate in explaining many of the things we can comprehend.

We can not deal with gravity or dark energy and although these are such important issues they are put on the back burner.

Without a comprehensive understanding on how gravity works (which involves understanding dark energy) and more importantly why it behaves in the way it does we know nothing...the main machine of the Universe is gravity yet we can not fit it into the forces we think we have wired..we know relatively nothing....we know relatively nothing..who can accept that..not the believers.. not the scientists.. but that is the possition clearly...we can of course specualte upon what we would like the Universe to be or specualte upon the way we think it could work but it is folly to turn the speculation into a belief we know something when really we do not...

Humans want to believe they have answers but really they have none be they believers or non believers they simply do not know..

However there can be no accidents irrespective of which way you approach the matter..things happen because they are the result of a set of rules as to how matter or energy interacts..we may not know the rules but that does not mean there are no rules..any interaction is predetermined and although we may have no idea of the rules we can say there was no accident as all is the result of conditions that determine a variety a results... even a random selection has a basis upon which it rests.

Speculation in these areas can only remain specualtion for we have no way of proving any theory we present..big bang included.

We can only ever be satisfied that we can speculate but there can be no escape from events being the result of pre existing conditions that determine a variety of results will be available.

How can we comment when we do not understand the rules.
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