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OK - the verdict
I had a broken USB cable that was intermittent in its use - that was 1 problem fixed with a brand new cable.
then there was the issue of my upgrade to PHD I should have unloaded the older version rather then just installing over the top - this one now works.
third issue - I have marked several focus points on the scope for each camera. the toucam is still problematic and I hope to have the problem rectified soon
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