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Old 22-11-2007, 12:48 PM
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Gravity does not Suck

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I cant figure out what he is saying.

But it seems more of the same, math to explain the math , without making a statement of what the fundamental approach of how things may work.

Rearranging the jig saw puzzle but the picture is much the same as before in my view... which is reasonable..... outside of that approach one must be a crackpot no doubt...but I feel all are going around in circles... its like trying to describe Hobbits and not having found the Shire to exist on this planet.

I know we need a starting point and accumulated physics is that starting point....but the general approach seems little different to string theory for example quantum lop gravity etc..it seems more of working on the detail with no overall view of what is going on...

It seems to me the problem is that all are starting at the wrong end of the force array... start with gravity and then unify everything with gravity not the other way about.....

we still live in a world that offers no machinery as to how gravity works and without figuring that out what is the point moving to the other forces...

figure gravity then unite the other forces with it would be better in my view.

The machinery of gravity has been a problem since Newton.. he knew of at least one possible machinery along the lines offered by LeSage (pushing via particles) yet he folded his cards saying gravity was due to the force of God.. I even suspect that to arrive at his inverse square rule the premise of LeSages shielding would have been the starting point ..easy to see just draw some circles and see the relationships the geometry dictate...

I doubt that Newton's view that gravity was due to the force of God was his scientific view but presumably a view determined by the needs of his day and age....but thats what he said..on my reading of the history.

Dr A Einstein did not seek to move much past that interesting point Newton made as to the force of gravity being that of God..Dr A Einstein certainly did not seek to correct Newton on that point attributing gravity to merely a relationship between masses... Dr A Enstein some say was religious but if nothing else he would have had in mind the influence of the Church... he was indeed brilliant to offer a better theory and not erode the power of God for gravity as offered by Newton...

How can we move forward when all the good minds mince around the issue of how gravity works... folk fall over themselves to offer parallel universes, the concept of super symmetry etc before they will tackle the nuts and bolts of how the machinery of gravity works.......could we not look for some answers not so subject to an acceptance of unprovable conjectures...........so even if you dont like a concept of gravity pushing why has there been no other machinery offered in over 300 years... math records the numbers etc but finally there is a fundamental thing going on building the Universe from Maxwells..molecular vortex's seems silly to me..what is a molecular vortex anyways...all that science and who ever asked???..what is it?...

One could think that gravity may play a major role in the Universe so why not work it out and then unify the rest with that concept of gravity... I bet things will turn out considerably different... give gravity a force other than saying it is the force of God and see if that does not get us past the current dead end...and lets face it standing back notwithstanding all the wonderful work and formula it is at a dead end... does not matter how pretty you make the street if it dont lead anyplace.

Still if anyone can in a simple sentence tell me what the new kid on the block (the surfer guy) is saying and how it is any different to the fundamental approach of others..that of starting with the wrong forces and effectively not dealing with the issue of gravity... I would like to read such a simple statement.

I ask because I must have something wrong but the way I see it is the way I have outlined it...I state the proposition very simply so it should be easy to point out any fundamental flaws in my thinking...which I welcome by the way... I dont like to think I am in the dark.

Why has science gone so long (and continues to do so) without the machinery of gravity being addressed and left in the hands of God and then relating it to the other forces?.... I am assuming that gravity will be the major player which is no more unreasonable than starting with electricity or magnetism..as has been done.

I have a guest arriving so I must go... I will read what I have written latter and fix any problems.

alex
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