It looks like my choice to join Iceinspace was a smart move.
I would like to thank all involved for the help in collimination of my 8" newtonian.With your advice and a bit of tinkering i did find the problem.It seems when i centered the secondary under the viewfinder i was not level so when i adjusted the tilt the front side of the viewfinder was showing up in the mirror.I did some carefull measurments and found that with the spring behind the secondary i could not draw it back enough to center.That done the colimination seems to be as spot on as i will ever get with this scope.
I truly wish i had joined here before purchaseing my scope.Different choices would have been made.
Now i can get some decent viewing if the dam skys clear.Since you guys know everything about astrono0my can someone tell me where the "clear sky switch" is?
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