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Far out
Well after watching the tutorial on andyshotglass page I gave it a go and boy was it out a mile. It is all centered and aligned now, the articles are right insofar as actually doing it a few times makes the whole thing more comfortable. I can not believe I sent it back to the shop to be collimated and just by moving it to my house it went out by so much. It was that bad that a return laser did not even hit the secondary. I suspect the shop played me for a fool and they would not be far off as I know next to nothing about telescopes atm.
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