Hi Andrew,
I will look again in a billion years

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Too young is reasonable if you go along with that new fangle "big bang notion" and dont subscribe to the steady state idea. Yes that could be it despite what we think we only have a limited view time wise of where we are.
Bojan I saw the movie and that was excellent. Thanks again.
I expect if they keep taking photos of the area that star that swings close st should drop in ... now that would make a great movie.
I can not find the size for the black hole in the quasar however but still looking.
Thanks to everyone for the help and explanations.
alex