One thing I am 100% sure of is that 33ef (unpatched) will allow one site only, any more and it craps itself. I reset the handbox and reloaded two sites several times to prove it. I think the version I got from meade was probably 33EL; its shown on the site as 33El which I took as ei but the handbox shows 33e1 which makes even less sense. I'll hunt down the patch as I think I've got 33EL.... the read me with the DL doesn't help much either as it lists the software as 33e1. Does dick's patch fix the rubberbanding problem John?? If not I might reload 33ef and the patch.