Hey Karl thats what we need someone who knows the problems to offer some input. Its probably just me but I am independant and lived in the bush with 2 panels 65 watt and 85 watt 4 of 6 volt batteries giving 400 amp hrs, a 240 inverter, and a genny, fuel stove gravity fed water and a gas fridge. I dont use a fridge and now have a $100 genny which I rarely use. Two lights which are 240vlt strangly

but prefer candles or no light actually. With the lap top and a 12 vlt tv a real flash one flat screen even.. its luxury for me. No vacuum cleaner cause no carpet

just cement so I use a 12 vlt path blower

. I have an electric guitar power tools and use wood to cook and heat my water. No washing machine I just throw my clothes in a boiler and leave them cook during the night

.. leave them on the line so the rain rinsces them or the Sun gives them a good does of its germ killing rays

.I dont use a fridge. AND I am very happy. I have to come to Sydney to look after my father and stuff and see and help my Son. But here I use one light as I have gotten into the habit of respecting the fact that energy does not grow on trees ..well some of mine is trees I guess but the stove runs on the rubbish on the track and stuff that is a fire hazzard. If I had wind power that would be great. One guy up my way has littel gennies at the bottom of his down pipes.. I know most people could not handle doing it that way but I love it

. I like the control I like the fact that so little of my energy goes on un necessary things. My investment in solar was minimal but then again my demands are small but I cant help think that many households could work this way. Everyone is happy to spend on , a plasma TV etc but wouldnt it be nice if they spent their money first to provide their own energy as a first priority on at least higher than buying so many toys that take rather than contribute.
I try to take very little. I was just thinking if one bloke can do it all by himself maybe a big group could do it better than me

. I dont care really what the rest of the world does..you know a mate gave me two more panels..one Ihavent got working but the other one did that is hooked direct to a car cooler but other than cooling a can of soft drink it does not get used.. I got it to cool my camera it worked well so I got another. A pre cooler and a cooler on the scope

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But my point is I did not really need the other panels but seeing I had the power I got something to plug in..
Why am I rambling again simply to say I do not find a life of simplicity unpleasant because of so many things I dont have to switch on

clean or repair or replace.. Sure my clothes are wrinkled but then so am I

. I dont follow fashion so that makes things very simple

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I have no idea of the figures to go solar and building panels cost energy but so does other stuff.
Panels and batteries are not cheap but when out there what can you do. The power company put out a flyer to see who wanted to go on the grid every one I know said Ïf they put it outside they would rather improve their solar systems as it is cheaper for them having already established things. Even having grid out side your block it will still cost $10,000 to get it to the house so why bother.
Most have more panels than me and run 240 volt appliances.. and there is a fridge with a 12 motor..they get a standard fridge and put in a 12 vlt motor.
But thats in the bush but I thought I would share that with you. But my point was not solar as such it is the way science is corrupted to corrupt the story on WORLD HISTORIC CLIMATE CHANGE

.. I am trying to get used to the phrase to remember what we are dealing with..
excuse spellign etc but I am beat lttle more reading and its dreamland for me.
Thank for your input I would love to be doing the sort of work you do it must be exciting

. Thanks agian alex