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Old 10-02-2007, 06:03 AM
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Glen I never said I don't believe in climate change. Not sure the reason you deduced that.

Yes the climate is warming. No it is not by carbon dioxide in the main. No it is not by anthropogenic activities in the main. Yes it is by increased Solar radiation. Yes it is by cosmic rays. Yes it is by the precession of the Earth.

As per the link I posted to the Paleomar Project and the link to Climate History and the graph of temperature as in warm, moderate and cool over eons that is Earth Science information gathered from fossil, ice and other records. We are currently exiting a cool period. As well the Earth's natural condition is to be much warmer than now.

There is something called the 2% Temperature Target. A look at the data in the above mentioned Climate History makes me comment thusly:

Well that is the first time I've seen a cap to the GW temperature. It must have come from a EU supported computer modeling scientific group that enjoyed the largess of EU funding. Computer modeling is only as good as the inputs. With weather that means a lot of inputs are nothing more than guesses.

Who is to say 2% is the right number. If one looks at the link on the Paleomar Project and Climate History one will note most of Earth climate history is a warm cycle (22 deg). The graph shows we are currently exiting a cool cycle (12 deg.). There are two past incidences of rapid exiting and from the Permian to near the end of the Tertiary no exiting from warm (100 million years) except a brief period between the Jurassic and Cretaceous when the temperature was in a 17 deg. phase. Also the cool phases generally lasted 50 - 75 million years.

However these are global average temperatures. We can still have Ice Ages in the Northern Hemisphere in a Cool Phase and no Ice Ages in this phase as these are short term relative to the length of a Cool Phase thus not altering the average temperature over millions of years to any discernible amount.

The Carbon Cycle is a massively complicated thing (refer to the National Geographic issue Sep. 2004) that involves interaction between solar activities, atmosphere, oceans, vegetation, geologic events, cosmic particles, natural disasters, animal flatulence (methane) and humans. I put humans last as we are the least in the cycle.

On another issue the IPCC summary report by using phrases likely and very likely and then concludes a certainty puts the science used in the realm of pseudo science as real science follows the scientific method and concludes a truth after verifying experimentation. That has not been done on this file.

By forcing an ending to the debate by declaring humans the guilty party, if there was ever any real debate, the UN is pushing humankind into a situation of wasting trillions of money units on an irrevocable situation. The UN is putting humankind as more powerful than Mother Earth and the Sun.
And that must be seen by any logical person to be wrong.

If we can't get a war right (as in the Iraq Invasion), how to we mess with our atmosphere and hope to get that right - whatever right is.

To me humans mess with the atmosphere by polluting it. The trillions could go to the following important and solvable things:

Clean Water Supply
Water Pollution
Air Pollution
Diseases
Famine

Maybe out of cleaning the air we might even make the warm worse but at least we would breath cleaner air.
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