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I observe with binos only. I've 8x42, 15x70 and 30x80.
In the 30x80s, I can easily see saturn's rings and jupiter's bands. The 15x70s don't quite do it. I'm not sure if 20x80s will show much on the planets.
AOE are great, their binos are outstanding value for money.
My recommendation for beginners is:
1. Buy 10x50 and 30x80 binos (with a basic mount)
2. Buy a good star atlas and a subscription to a magazine
3. Get under the stars every night you can
4. Go to a local suburban star party (assuming you live in the city) and look through as many scopes as possible
5. Go to a dark sky star party and look through as many scopes as possible
Then think about buying a telescope.
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