Doug....
"Given that 'dark energy' is only a twinkle in the eye of some cosmologists,
any such exchange of influence would logically occur when gravity's attractive force exceeds dark energy's push. Dark energy is not however a necessary thing, only a mathematical fudge factor. Consider the integral of 2x. Is it not x squared + k where k is merely the constant of integration?
Yet had our 2x merely been the first derivative of x squared to begin with, then k would have to have the value of zero. In the same way dark energy is simply 'k' a constant that might have some influence if needed in the future. In other words it simply balances an equation; nothing more.
alex's thought...Yes I can see why you could say that, given generally how those who engage these issues will approach them, maybe I am grabbing at merely a fudge factor generated by a necessity to round off the big bang equations... well I will be happy to jump on any band wagon I came.I have grabbed space time for my purposes.. but ceratinly if it(dark energy) is merely an expression for the sake of foomulae to "them" to me I still see the "gravity rain thing" maybe it has to be stronger than the sums attribute to dark energy ...but I have not relied at all upon any sums ...the gravity rain is an idea not a theory so it can run around undressed as it were
. Still I see dark energy as a real force and it probably is the gravity rain I have sort for some time now. Morosophia can be blamed no doubt. But the gravity rain thread elsewhere has just gone over 10,000 reading robots no doubt but how strange that search engines are so hungry.
Doug....
"Alex I can't check any of this with the professor as he is on a lecture tour at present, but I think there is a danger of interpreting images without having strong observational evidence.
Consider this simple scenario; I crack an egg and place its contents into a bowl. Then I spill the egg onto the floor and throw the shell into the middle of the mess. Some time later you come along and seeing the mess, assume that I must have dropped the egg onto the floor, breaking it. That is what it looks like however you would be wrong. Later information might show that the shell was empty when it hit the floor, but for now you can only assume.
Abel 2029? accidental or natural?"
alex's thought...Indeed but I do no worse than many others out there really it is my humble opinion that many projects have figured how the egg go to be on the floor and the project will back up that notion..I see the usefulness of dark energy as it can be mt gravity rain.. think of all the work I can rely upon thats been already done on dark energy..errrr gravity rain..whatever.. I blame the hopeless condition of morosophia I am aflictted with such that I can only see everything as evidence for my proposition... convenient excuse but without the condition I would have given up on my idea and if nothing else its drives my hunt for knowledge...and I have learnt that if you look on the net you can get as much evidence as you want to support anything you can think of... I think Abel 2029 says what I think it says to me..yes we could work out every set of conditions for the broken egg on the floor and actually list every possible reason for the arrangement before us...and yet such observation cant be brought to bear on something like Abel 2029 and ...then with absolute belief feel you are right on what you come up with..I am strong to state my case but have been around to know one can be fooled easiest by ones self.. I therefore trust myself little... but Abel 2029 could not hold up using an internal force ..and this is the case with pretty well all spirals .
Abel 2029 accidental or natural mmmm me thinks nothing is accidental even a broken egg on the floor.
Dough
"Gravity....push or pull?"
alex's thought....
The words on 10,000 robots lips but I am here to say I am 100% in the push camp... just in case there were any doubts as I tend to keep my thoughts on gravity to myself
Anyways there are a lot of people looking for dark energy that may find if it works my way they wont need any dark matter.. thats what I see and look at the egg on the floor and used my efforts to explain how it broke.
Give my fond regards to the professor.
alex