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The obvious difficulty with Gravity acting as a push instead of a pull, is the demonstrated relationship of gravity to mass.
If a large mass like the Earth, is interacting with an object of minute mass such as a molecule of gas in contact with its surface, there exists no feasible way that the gas molecule would not be repelled or pushed away.
Alex…..On this one I am going to have to speculate somewhat as I don’t have access to equipment that can reveal activity at that level. However one could reasonably expect that this may indeed be the case, not because of the “gravity rain” possibility but because one molecule may be forced “up and away” by the surrounding molecules for other reasons It is a difficult proposition to consider. There is an effect known as the Crompton effect I recall that apparently shows at a macro level ..mmm that’s dangerous ,let’s say an effect of considerable smallness .. of an effect of pushing away from the surface. I recall it is a small effect but detectable never the less. I use the words recall loosely because the recollection is dim and in truth I don’t know if this effect is proven. If it does exist I may be the effect you say would be unlikely. I am grabbing at straws but I am trying to stop the house of cards collapsing.
There is no evidence of this happening, even in controlled experiments in the laboratory.
Alex……I would like to look at the experiments to get a better feel for the proposition you put forward.
As that gas molecule is elevated, there would then be another rush in to fill the void and so on and so on.
Alex…..That sounds reasonable but such a cycle may be the observation of convection.
This would result in an updraught which would see a vacuum created at the Earth's surface, and a perpetual up draught of gas.
Alex…… Again such an effect could be observed as convection I would think However I am not suggesting that the Earth in itself contributes significantly to “Universal Pressure” the point I make is that the Earth acts as a shield so that the “gravity rain” from the under side” is less (having lost some of its energy having traveled through the Earth), however the “gravity rain” from the unshielded side ,that is the heavens above and indeed to the side will by virtue of only having to travel through the atmosphere will be the stronger of the two.
Professor N Ryte has explained Gravity in terms of tension. He states that there exists a tension between every object of mass, dependent in intensity only on the magnitude of the masses involved.
Alex……Well I don’t know that we are in disagreement here as indeed I see the “gravity rain”or as I prefer to call it Üniversal Pressure “does indeed create such a tension.
He says this in part explains why gravity exhibits no polarity, and favours no type of matter over any other. It also accounts for the apparent permeability of all matter to gravity.
Alex……I think I can relate Üniversal pressure to describe a polarity in the context that I think it may also be the mechanism that in fact is responsible for magnetism.
Consider a bar magnet for a moment. It seems that magnetism some how exists in a bar of iron due to the alignment of I think the molecules (please give me a little room here I am talking off the top of my head as they say) Now consider if “gravity rain exists it may be that it travels along the bar straight through and of course it would be going in both directions at once.
Seeing we are taking about gravity as rain let’s see the bar as a bundle of pipes, the walls of the pipes exclude particles from “side” access but they flow easily down the pipe. The attraction we see say of a piece of metal to one pole is caused by the rain flowing in that direction pushing the piece of metal to the end of the bar.
The difficulty comes in if it could be explained as I suggest why does like poles repel.
..I mean how could this occur if we approach magnetism on the presumption that Universal pressure may exist.
I can not explain this yet so I can’t take the possible relation ship between Universal Pressure and magnetism much further , but I intend to pursue this line of thought and speculation.
In other words Gravity can not be shielded or contained.
I think this is a leap in logic as what you observe does not lead immediately to such a conclusion I believe.
In fact, this tension that exist with all matter has the tendency to reach out as it were and meld to a greater or lesser degree with other masses.
Alex……I believe this is the case however obviously see the tension in a different manner but I think there is a similar view being shared.
The closer in space these masses are, the more complete the melding phenomena.
Alex…..I am not quite sure about the term melding but certainly the observation that the closer in space the masses are the more pronounced the gravitational effect.. Such is supported by the concept of describing gravity in any fashion. Space time says this but of course space time does not explain the presence of any force space time is merely a geometric description to the way to work out math’s to describe the effects we call gravitation.
He said " Consider a mass of 1kg at sea level. That mass will remain 'attracted' to the Earth by the same amount. i.e. it will weigh 9.8 newtons regardless of what it might be at rest on or enclosed in".
Alex……Space time describes gravity including features such as mass and “velocity” so I don’t know that a mass moving at high velocity could be attributed the same gravitation as on at rest. Coming back to an environment as I suggest velocity would be relevant in the context that some thing with a high velocity would encounter more “gravity rain”in the direction of its travel so from that approach also maybe velocity is not to be disregarded .
He suggested I try taking a mass of 1kg plus a set of scales and encasing them within a concrete box, a lead or any convenient metal box, and also a light wood or cardboard box. He said this elementary experiment would show that the action of gravity on the 1kg mass would remain constant.
Alex…..Well I suspect it would also but I think that comes down to a matter that given “gravity rain” can travel through the Earth with little impediment to itsw progress a box of lead 1000 klms thick would show such a slight varience that instruments could not measure it . The difficulty in detecting gravity waves from super nova face a similar problem.
The weight of the mass would remain at 9.8 Newtons regardless of the type of confinement.
Alex……Well would it if we could make a confinement large enough..Lets go the other way remove all confinement and shielding by taking our mass into deep space as far as possible away from anything that could be deemed to shield it from the gravity rain. We now have a situation where the mass will be observed to be weightless. What would our scales show now I expect nothing at all. How can this be explained in the gravity rain concept..well the gravity rain comes from everywhere and is not experiencing any imbalance due to shielding. I suspect however if we increased its velocity this could create and imbalance and in effect produce and effect we may well interpret as gravity.
I said "But professor, I've never seen a set of scales that gives a reading in newtons, what are you talking about?" He replied in a somewhat wearied tone, "just get a set of scales and a 1kg bag of sugar; you'll do fine"
Alex…..I don’t think that balance scales will help us in outer space even if you strapped everything down balance scales could only show that both masses are equal. To determine gravity due to acceleration I expect we could use scales dependant on a spring mechanism. Such would reveal different pressures. pressures due to the encounter with more gravity rain if we were to accelerate the mass in a particular direction.
Alex…….Thank you for your input Doug I enjoyed considering what is before us hope my lack of total understanding does not upset your Professor he no doubt has a greater understanding of the current thinking than do I but I will be interested I he is prepared to comment on my humble attempts to seek a force that is responsible for bending the space time grid lines on his plan of space.
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