Obviously the dob is the better choice but don't write off the frac. Under good skies I've seen the veil in 15x80mm binoculars (on a mount). That was decades ago so I'm not sure whether I saw both east and west portions, but I think I did. Most of my views were from northern Aust but I've also seen it from near Nowra. Of course 'seeing' means I detected it and the general shape but no other detail.
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