[Bassnut (Fred)]

Yes well, dated perhaps, im using the PICAXE version(Basic, a totally integrated and stable environment). I have found what you can do with a micro is more important than how flash it is. One line of code can do what an arduino needs many lines for, and faster. It allows fast and intuative coding. Also i must admit, im used to it, in my comfort zone. The Arduino ADI is powerfull to be sure, ive used it, but PICAXE kills it for fast reliable results for simple machine control. And you can just buy the PICAXE PIC chip for use with a custom PCB.