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Originally Posted by Retrograde
Utter nonsense. We've never had bushfires this extensive and long-lasting. These bushfires started in winter and have affected almost every state. We also have much more effective fire-fighting tools than ever before - aerial bombardment etc but they're still unstoppable. Rainforests have dried out and burned!
Rhetorical dribble.
Renewable power is set to drive the cost of electricity down and we'd likely already be there if it wan't for pollies working on behalf of fossil-fuel interests.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australi...newable-energy
I'm certainly not claiming that renewable energy is some sort of magic bullet but it's certainly a step in the right direction.
Dishonest absolutism. If we had a government that took the issue seriously we could've been well on the way to a planned transition by now.
This is simply wrong.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...on-tonnes-2019
Germany is not furiously building new coal plants. They plan to phase out all coal by 2038 and are investing big in renewables.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKCN1PK04L
If countries like ours did their share & didn't sabotage global agreements then the likes of China and India might make more of an effort too.
Climate change deniers have been wrong non-stop for a decade now and are just adding noise to the debate - not facts.
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In terms of fatalities, these bushfires are nowhere near as bad as past bushfires. "Devastated" areas look fine only several years later.
I point out that the poor are subsidizing the rich and your response is the illuminating "
Rhetorical Dribble" and dubious claims that renewables will lower the cost of electricity which has been soaring for the last decade to the highest in the world as cheap coal fired power has been destroyed. The ACCC states that people without solar panels are subsidising those with solar panels.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/cons...29-p518xt.html
And people who rent are generally poorer. My point stands
I point out that if Australia closed down all its power it would have had zilch effect on CO2 level in the atmosphere given Chinese output.
Your response is "
Dishonest absolutism" and claim we would have been well on the way to transition now - which is deliberate misdirection by you, since the result of that transition would be exactly what I said - zilch effect on CO2 emissions given China's output, and zilch effect on the current bushfires
You claim that my statement about China's increasing coal-fired power output is simply wrong and link me to an article saying that China is buying less coal, and digging more up themselves - which is an utter irrelevancy. perhaps you should have checked your latest Greenpeace newsletters to keep you up to date.
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...-2030-climate/
https://www.wired.com/story/china-is...w-coal-plants/
Assuming you used Google, it must have been very hard to avoid the articles about China's "insane" amount of coal-fired power plant construction.
And you say that Germany is not furiously building coal-fired power plants but instead is phasing out all its coal fired power plants - something which is an aspirational goal at best - and ignoring all the new power plants it has been building the last decade during the time that Rudd, Gillard, Abbott, Turnball and Morrison were supposed to have been shutting down our plants. And Germany decided to phase them all out in January 2019, just after the newest coal-fired power plant started operating in 2018. Really committed, aren't they?
https://www.airclim.org/acidnews/ger...power-stations
So you have me there - I stand corrected - Germany has been furiously building new coal-fired power plants but has also just now decided to stop doing it - at a time when the ruling parties are facing a populist backlash.
You state,
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If countries like ours did their share & didn't sabotage global agreements then the likes of China and India might make more of an effort too.
Climate change deniers have been wrong non-stop for a decade now and are just adding noise to the debate - not facts."
You seem to not know that the Paris Accords allow for China and India to keep building the coal fired plants that they are building. And you also seem to be denying the simple facts I put forward.
As this article shows, a renewable green energy Germany would have to rely on nuclear power from France, oil power from Austria and/or coal-fired power from Poland to make up for the inevitable shortfalls from lack of base load power.
https://fcpp.org/2018/12/30/germanys...-a-brick-wall/
As the fact-based person that you claim to be, could you suggest who we are going to get our back-up power from after we have achieved the desired "transition" that so dearly wish for? Papua-New Guinea? Timor? Indonesia?
Regards,
Renato