Interesting video..lots of ruins..interesting assertion about star charts from China.
So if you have nothing else to do...
https://youtu.be/WMpuSMCt23U
Alex
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Originally Posted by julianh72
It's sad that in this day and age, one person making a claim on the internet that large scale stone construction is impossible without modern tools (or UFOs!), that the pyramids can't possibly have been built within one life-time, there is no evidence that they were tombs, we don't have the technology today to achieve what was accomplished by the ancients, etc, etc, etc, and that becomes fact in many people's minds.
Yes, the pyramids are a monumental undertaking (pun fully intended!), and the Great Pyramid in particular, and it is mind-boggling to think of what it must have taken - but when people have applied their minds to that question, it turns out to be entirely achievable with the technology and resources available to them.
The Egyptians didn't have access to modern tools (or UFOs), but they did have access to a huge, skilled, willing, seasonal workforce (no, they weren't slaves!), and they were clearly very good at project management.
There is good reason to believe that major earthwork ramps were part of the construction methodology - traces of them have been found at other pyramid sites, including archaeological evidence of the levering systems etc that were used to haul stone blocks up the ramps, with a gradient of 20% or more. E.g. see: https://www.livescience.com/63978-gr...iscovered.html
Take a look at this article on the construction of the Great Pyramid, as analysed by a modern-day project management team: https://web.archive.org/web/20070608.../0699feat.html
It is their conclusion that the construction would have required an average labour force of 13,200 workers over a 10-year duration. Even if you double the number of workers, and double the duration, it could still have been comfortably accomplished within one life-time. That analysis was published 20 years ago - and yet, a prevailing view seems to be that we have no idea how it could have been accomplished.
I visited Peru last year, including Machu Picchu and Cuzco. I have long heard of the astonishing precision of the stonework there, and how we (supposedly) have no idea how the blocks were shaped or moved. Yes, the stonework shows craftsmanship of the highest order, but the clues as to how it was done are visible everywhere you look - blocks which still have pegs and holes that were used for pulling them together, partially dressed stones (and stonework for more humble buildings) showing how a roughed-out block could be trimmed to a precision-fit, etc. (No resident of Cuzco seriously believes that aliens must have built the Incan temples - they walk past the far more mundane evidence every day in the main streets and alleys.)
On the lack of direct evidence of the pyramids being used as tombs - it's not just lack of tomb relics, it's a general lack of all sorts of artefacts. And that's because all of the pyramids were robbed in antiquity, as were almost all of the more conventional tombs. (That's why Tutankhamen's tomb was such a major find - it's one of very few pharaonic tombs to have remained intact into the modern era.) In fact, the one significant artefact found in the Great Pyramid is a granite sarcophagus, located in the King's Chamber - it's hard to imagine what this was to be used for, if not as a tomb! (Presumably this was too big to be looted, but everything else was taken thousands of years ago.)
None of this should in any way diminish the wonder of the pyramids - but please, don't resort to voodoo as being the only plausible explanation of how and why they were built. |
Hi Julian ...where did you get the UFO thing?
Why say such a thing? I did not remotely suggest such a thing ..did I?
It is clear you have formed a view and are not thinking about the matters that I am raising...you are creating a straw man which is not cricket old chap.
As to getting it done in twenty years please do me a favour..get out your calculator and tell me how many blocks an hour, each hour for the twenty years...Maybe I made a mistake but just that one single observation must cause one to doubt the twenty year story...wouldn't that be better than going on with alien rubbish..
I will look at your links and take the opportunity to thank you for providing them.
I know about pretty well all the ideas as to construction ramps etc ... so it must have been a pretty well built ramp to take a line of blocks that enabled them to lay a block each five minutes non stop for the alleged twenty years...please check my sums as I must be wrong. There is a case that they brought blocks up the causeway and a bit past the site and built a ramp from there...anyways there are a variety of ideas..but again note I said nothing about it could not be done as such...
If they were doing mainly back fill it still means 2.5 ton every five minutes for twenty years...I will look at the link as I am interested to find reasonable explanations..I hope there are no aliens involved.
Honest Julian..what is your preoccupation with aliens ..did I suggest that..if I have it would have been a transparent joke...I am hurt that you suggest such particularly as I did not..A lesser person would have taken it as a backhanded insult..and how else could your suggestion be taken given I have done none of the crack pot things you seem to be trying to link me to...please tell me where I have misunderstood your post.
Not cricket at all.
In any event the point I have been making (or so I believe) as to this rock work was not that it was difficult or that we could not do it..my point was that it is found world wide, even on Easter Island ..that is curious. The polygonal stuff..I am speaking fact..it is world wide.
You admit there is nothing to go on as to the tomb aspect..as it's all gone and focus upon a granite box that you guess must have been a tomb because you can't imagine what else it could be used for???? So based on your best guess we can ignore the fact that all the bodies are found in the Valley of the Kings...come on ..do you expect to sweep away my observations on your best unsupported guess.
AND if a cofin why is it in the corner...that alone suggests to me it was not a coffin and absolutely inconsistent with their strict ideas as to perfect layout.
And why nothing on the walls...looted?
And why do we find all the bodies in the Valley of the Kings..you do know where they found the king you mention..not in a pyramid is a clue.
And why do we find no recording of any pyramid building..you know reference to the builders the plans invoices..anything..not one single thing..we have bread and beer directions, pornography, details of order forms to instal windows in a house etc yet nothing re building any pyramid..oh one piece of evidence offered is some obscure reference to floating one stone block down the Nile with no reference to where or for what it's purpose...
Anyways forget the aliens ...and please stop suggesting I offer arguement from incredulity as I have not done so...these are red herrings...just think about the reasonable, propositions that I present...
And perhaps before I acknowledge your appeal not to resort to voodoo you may care to point out exactly where I have done so...you say I enlist aliens..again please so same..you say that I find explanation as to stuff unexplainable so please show where..I suggest you are attacking a straw man that you have constructed because for what ever reason you do not wish to address the matters I raise...how do you plead
Honestly pretty shabby and I am surprised you employ such insulting tactics.
Alex