[xelasnave]

It will be a long long really long time before religion leaves humans if ever.

Creation...let me explain the problem for the idea of creation and explain why the universe is no doubt eternal and has always been and always will be.

Firstly creation implies that something can come from nothing which is impossible because first and foremost there can be no condition existing that humans describe as nothing simply because if there is nothing there then you must find something.

Further experience tells us that even when we think we have nothing a close examination always shows there to be something for example one may say this cup is empty and yet critical examination shows that the cup if full of air something where one made the mistake of concluding that there was indeed nothing..and even in the most remote and empty place in space examination clearly shows that it will have photons and almost unlimited nutrinos rushing hither and thither so much so one could wonder how do they all fit.

Nothing..I don't think so.

Nothing like many names humans invent describes a condition that is impossible to find in reality and the only reason that reality does not become obvious is few take but an hour or two to think the matter thru and make a logical assessment unguided by something sproutted by an authority figure who also has never given the matter an hour or two to considering the basless statement they happily rattle off without backup or tested models.

But doesnt the big bang theory say everything came from nothing? ..well no it does not say that at all..the big bang theory only deals with the evolution of the universe from a hot dense state...it only deals with the evolution of the universe and it says nothing whatsoever about creation...nothing (and here I use the word appropriately) but let us be clear and put it absolutely clear as one can ... the big bang theory picks up the story after a point in time which the theory nominates as a starting point...so the theory does not suggest anything more than a hot dense state...certainly not nothing..

.So where does the idea that the theory deals with a point of creation...perhaps the catholic priest who invented the theory and was preoccupied, along with many "thinkers" in the catholic church at that time..the preoccupation with the pagan notion of creation starting with a cosmic egg..yes a cosmic egg or as modern science renamed it "a singularity"... but remember a "singularity" is a point where the math breaks down and therefore can make no reliable predictions and certainly does not make a prediction that can be tested against the math..the math does not now exist..past this boundary lay dragons and stuff..

.But the math takes us back to a universe that was hot and dense and that certainly is not nothing and does not hint at at all at a condition loosely referred to as nothing and certainly does not hint in the slightest at a point of creation. ...creation is wishful thinking on the part of the inventer of the big bang theory and all those who although not happy with the biblical account merely seek a creation point for whatever reason..

.before we suggest creation we must be able to show that there was at some point nothing and that our hot dense something was created from nothing..it was not and it could not come from nothing..hence there is no creation point and the universe is eternal.

The big bang only starts time at an arbitrary point when as the theory alledges the hot dense state inflated faster than the speed of light and for all practical qualification instantly..that put in terms expressed by Neil De Grasse .. in a zillionth of a zillionth of a zillionth of a second..what that is saying is the univetse grew from a hot dense, size of a grapefruit size, to the size of the current observable universe in a zillionth of a zillionth of a zillionth of a second..you cant get more instant than that folks...but even that unsupported claim does not mention a point of creation.

Creation is an idea humans need for they simply can not comprehend the obvious reality that the universe is indeed eternal.

Everything comes from something and nothing is an unsupported myth.

What makes more sense an eternal universe or an eternal entity popping out of eternity to create a finite universe.

The eternal universe wins hands down and does not have to trash religious belief but religious belief must fit within such a context to be retain any credibility.

And folk must abandon all notions that the big bang theory points to creation...it simply does not☺.
Alex