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Old 16-08-2006, 01:07 AM
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That's a pretty reasonable perspective Don, and a faith belief simply responds with we have a purpose that is hidden at the moment.

By the way I found a decent list of biblical "absurdities" (their words) here http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...an/absurd.html

Personally I can see the evidence for a creation event, even if we have only a paltry understanding of reality that exists beyond our human senses (alah hidden variable theory). Its just the size of the universe and the unlikeliness of us being here with higher intelligence that leads me to ponder do we have critical purpose and mission to fulfil. Is this why we are here, because our actions will cause a 3rd party some collateral benefit from our human perspective? Seems a remote possibility to me. I ponder we are missing perspective somewhere in all of this.

And will we one day travel and colonise the stars? What if in 5,000 years or way less we discover say size, distance and time at lower levels of reality are simply illusions to be bent as far as we like with an uber-science? What if way faster than light travel isn't only a possibility, its simplicity - like pouring water from a tap, to a race than can play and totally master materials at a quantum or a galactic level with equal ease.

Perhaps our vision and dreams are way too small today. Maybe theoretcical physics will show us even how to create our own universe with definied physical constants. Would having the creation and environmental manipulation capabilities of a Biblical diety really help us that much? Of would it only serve as entertainment - lets go create a universe, play with it, raise a few higher life forms, then eat lunch at the other end of the Universe before the next wave of reality tv come son in the afternoon.

What is our purpose!

netwolf

That link you posted had better scientific analysis than I expected - but they are making some big assumptions, especially about the Earth / moon distance and length of a day in ancient times equaling each other put over extended periods of time, to give a constant formulea for the speed of light in the Koran. They don't go back to when say the moon was 1,000 times closer to the Earth and deduct what our orbital period was back then and what factors determine it to be so. They simply stated it was and faild to say why and check their results - Major Oppsie. Sadly their models are thoughtful but their assumptions are too strong and incorrect. For one they don't equate of mass changes to the Earth due to meteorites dumping extra mass onto our planet every day. Nor do the account for how far the moon travels thanks to our galactic cluster heading towards the Great Attracter at about 960 km/sec. So it would kinda change their figures.

And the way they spectulate with relativity is frivolous. I could just as reasonable argue God is a black hole that can't every enter our Universe by their brand of logic (e.g. God has inifinte power or energy, but e = mc^2 which implies God has inifinte mass, but large massive bodies create black holes that warp spacetime, and if God has infinite mass then in our reality he has a even horizon of infinite radius about him). So only an infinitesimaly small quotient of God can every enter and interact with our reality without blowing it all away.

Kinda cute logic isn't it? Maybe reality is just a bit more complext than that...

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