[JohnH]

I have found this object really tricky to image, this is my best effort so far and not that good, I guess a quarter moon is a no-no for this one as it is faint. I stacked 24*4 mins (got half histogram approx) at iso 1600 and still have not got enough signal. This was with the 135mm lens at f8 and my tracking and focus were both a bit off. MMmm got lots of excuses, looking for practical advice, is it down to my poor prctices or the moon/light polution. Other than going to a dark site what can I do to get a better result?