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Old 13-11-2017, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by julianh72 View Post
Alex,

I think you're mistaken (or else I misunderstood your meaning):

It is not just a "human" limitation; it is in fact deeply ingrained within the laws of quantum mechanics that it is not possible to know both the position and momentum of any particle.

(Or more precisely, both position and momentum together are simultaneously "unknowable" - but in what would no doubt delight Donald Rumsfeld, the extent of their "unknowability" is known quite precisely, and is defined by Planck's Constant.)
My point is it is a human limitation because the rule is indeed a human one..it fits the model but all models are not reality they are attempts to model reality..what is the reality of a particle...notwithstanding what our current model says the paricle knows where it is where its going and at what speed...all those things are known by it as they affect its movement...

at some level we should be able to move past the uncertainty principle...in fact they did didnt they??? I mean measured both thru some new approach..anywyas by the way..not important.

I am trying to have one think out side of what we know now ..what happens when someone finds you can side step the uncertainty priciple..

I must retire and think about all the things that I dont know I dont know.
alex
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