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Old 18-07-2006, 09:46 PM
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Personally I thought the show was excellent, as it showed the progression of how the faith versus science creationist debate has progressed over 200 years.

I'll go on record saying personally I hate intelligent design, and call it a psuedo-science of the worst ilk and see if it has to be taught, teach it as one of humankinds 5,000 active faith systems, not as a science!

My own personal beliefs include:

1. Faith is an area where scientific proof can't go
2. Faith may be behaviour that is genetically encoded
3. Science can't give a purpose to the Universe, faith attempts this
4. Faith that dismisses scientific process and evidence is risky
5. Any faith system that tries to reduce a transcedent being into mortal framework is borrowing trouble
6. Creation has an infinite buried in it somewhere, the candidates more fully include:

i) Infinite size - the universe is open, disconnected and varied enough for intelligent life to exist somewhere.

Trouble - Hubble shift and expansion of space shows circumstance that within our Hubble sphere points to a creation event 13.8 billion years ago, which makes creating a infinite Universe in a finite time exotically hard to justify.

2. Infinite time - say a bouncing universe endlessly cycling through big bang then big crunch, possibly with different univseral constants each cycles until intelligent life evolves.

Trouble - All our physics (presuming a finite universe) points to an increasingly rapidly expanding universe, making the likihood of a big fade, rather than a big crunch, far more credible unless once again you go all exotic on your theories of what is the fundamental fabric of reality.

3. Infinite Luck - The mix was simply right first time by chance.

Trouble - Imaging walking out your door and finding the winning lottery tick on your doorstep, every day, for a million years. Imagine a tornado hitting an airplane junkyard full or parts and by chance when it passes leaving behind a full assembled and fulled and serviced Boeing 747. Well the odds for what we have today are alot longer than that.

4. Infinite God - well yeah, uber scientist God existing within the planes of M-theory space cooks up a new universe on a new plane of existence - ours.

Trouble - Why? This is about as exotic as you can get. Did god create man or man create god to fulfil some need to avoid calling it unknowable or random luck?

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By the way I do see our existence defining the Universe. The chances of intelligent life spotanteously forming so as to be able to ponder the amazing system that is the Universe and our species itself is perhaps the defining event and achievement of the Universe itself!

PS

I'll try and dig up the stats on the chances for intelligent life existing anywhere with the Universe and the factors that must be present for it to happen. It reasons what must be available and its chances. The odds are around 10 ^ 42 to 1 against there being any intelligent life in a Universe with only 10 ^ 26 stars that have existed for 14 billion years.

Growing up I thought there would be intelligent life out there somewhere (go SETI) but a look at the factors that have to be present in a system for higher and intelligent life to exist is incredibly revealling.

http://www.konkyo.org/english/seti.html

Astronomical Parameters Related to Life Supportability on a Planet