[dbowie (Brenton)]

Leon I think we all sympathise with you and your grandaughters situation, I sure do, I too have experienced it to some extent with my nieces and nephews and it does cut deep on both sides, however even though it seems like the thread has gone off track unfortunately all the points made are pertinent to the situation namely the all too often unjust villification and strong mistrust of men overall (your original point) and their standing in the Australian community, I welcome the varience of comments because it is a snapshot of opinion and fact thought but not often seen and a conversation that must be had openly, and in a mature forum such as this I believe threads should be allowed to evolve in a positive fashion...my two cents....