I finally decided to see what I could do to get them up and running. First order of the day was to remove the clock battery on both. They leak after a few years and mine were no exception. Had to put vinegar on the areas to get rid of the crud exuded by the battery. On close inspection, no damage on either computer. They both booted up ok and now all I have to do is get the brain matter re-booted into Amiga mode and see what I can achieve. What I have noticed is once booted up they are damn quick machines even by today's standards. You click on an icon and the appropriate menu etc opens instantly. This is why these scared the crap out of Microsoft in the late 80's and early 90's, they just worked and were slippery. If one were into conspiracy theory's they might reckon Bill Gates was implicate in the demise of Commodore, nothing would surprise me.