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Well reasoned Dean.
I have had people (2 at the pub) tell me they could see stars down one of the deep mine shafts near town (Drake)...
I presented a similar argument to yours but backed off as it was clear they thought I was calling them liars... So I caved in with..."really I did not think that shaft was so deep"
They were happy ...
And who told you my real name are you working for the government?
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