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if you know what you want raymo, gumtree can be a very very good place to look for second hand bargains
i myself have had two rippers, a samyang 35mm f1.4 $280 and a tokina 16-28mm f2.8 for $450
my brother has had two copies of the excellent canon 28-105 f4 for $560 all from gumtree
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