Thanks Ray, I am not sure if I am getting this right or not so I snapped a quick image AFTER I had aligned the mirrors. Although the phone may show it slightly out, both sight tube and Cheshire say it's in line. So out of this image I can see the bottom of the focuser but it looks to be angled away, I would have thought the view would be looking directly up the Focuser tube, or is it.. I have moved the secondary back and forth along the tube and still get a similar image, some more some less... Anyway appreciate the thought on this image, except for the dirty optics