Thanks all for your input I am using a DBK21 as my guide camera. But as the manual states I have even tried a 32mm eye piece instead of a camera, put the scope dead in the milky way lots of stars there!! and I saw nothing through the reticle, I moved the telescope focus from stop to stop. I also tried the DBK21 at 5 second shots and still nothing.
Something just seems not right
Lee, guide scopes are not as bad as you would think I am using a ST80 and a DBK21 and can get 4 minutes shots on an old 9.25 Ultima with wedge and a 6.3 reducer see image link below. I have purchased a NEQ6 but have not tried AP on it yet!!
http://astrob.in/91581/0/
Carl