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those 2 scopes you link to are good beginner scopes -the mounts are much sturdier & easy t manage than a cheap aluminium eq mount
ordinarily the stars still avail for purchase on some registry are quite dim - occasionally at Melbourne observatory we get people looking to track down 1 star -its pretty difficult trying to track down an exact dim star; as Malcolm alludes to the registries mean nothing - you can even start your own if you like
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