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Great thanks Louie. I really can't splash out on anything too expensive I think about $500 will be the limit for a year or so haha the mrs will kill me I spend too much on my 4x4 already haha. I'll keep an eye out for good 2nd hand one. Other than a 2nd hand ones I've read few reviews on the dobsonian 8" telescope lots of good things I looked up some pics and vids of what people have seen through them they look great for $400
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