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Originally Posted by rat156
So this includes or excludes couples where one partner is infertile? I'm confused.
NO, you are saying that "all I can say is that when a pair of guys or a pair gals get together and want to raise kids, any support I may have had for their rights stops right there". So you would like to take away, what you have conceded in your original statement, is one of their rights. You can't have it both ways, you can't say that you don't support their right without meaning that you would like to see it taken away.
Sort of like if I said that I don't support your right to free speech, wouldn't that necessarily mean that I would like you to shut up? I use this as an analogy only, of course you should be able to express your opinion. You should also own up to the fact that it's your opinion.
See above re it IS your opinion. If you espouse a bigoted viewpoint I will call you a bigot. You have aired what I, and many others here, have deemed to be a bigoted viewpoint, hence the label. I also notice that you didn't complain about being labelled homophobic, is this somehow less offensive to you?
What is a "fact of nature"? Aren't we, as a species, changing the rules all the time? In this case I think that you've mistaken a "fact of nature" for a norm of society, and only our society really, there are many other societies where other than the physical act of copulation the male is superfluous to the rearing of children. As none of can remember the moment of conception, what does it matter if you are brought up by two men, two women or one of both, as long as they are loving and caring?
Cheers
Stuart
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Last week we were discussing over population and here we are today discussing the artificial creation of life for infertile people be they hetro or gay.
Does no one see the hypocrisy in this argument?
We are the creators of our own demise. If you believe in global warming then you have to believe over population is part of the problem.
So why are we artificially creating life.?
as stated being gay is normal. Them not having children in a natural way is normal. So why are we allowing them to have children by artificial means?
your arguments for allowing same sex to have children is flawed.
I do believe we are the problem. Artificially extending life expectancy. Artificially creating life where "god" has said sorry you're not having kids.
Reducing population has to start somewhere. Until we either find a new home. find a cure for mass starvation.
I feel for people who want to be parents but can't. But life is cruel.
People deserve to live their lives as they see fit. They don't need to shout it from the roof tops. Most of us don't care.
But until two women or two men can procreate naturally I say no to children.
Was it fair on the children gay parents to live a lie. People are selfish. Just as leaving children till later in life and having them in your 50's 60's. Poor bloody kids. These people should not be giving IVF either.
Who had parents in their 50's or older when they were young? I know someone like that who was embarrassed to be picked up.
Today we teach kids it's natural to have 2 mummies or two daddies. It's not. Just as it's not natural to be morbidly obese. Stop perpetuating lies for the sake of political correctness