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Originally Posted by PeterEde
What about the fact that atmospheric CO2 has been up as high as 4000ppm and the life thrived?
CO2 even at todays levels are far from toxic and have not been proven one iota to be the cause of any warming esp when we've had no warming for 15 years now?
Plants die without CO2 We die without plants.
One volcano can produce more CO2 in one week than Australia in a year.
China building how many coal burners now as well as nuclear reactors (hedging their bet?)
We've had how many ice ages long before man and the industrial age. Infact aren't we still in an ice age as long as there's ice on the poles?
Greenland was in fact Green once.
People derided Abbotts direct action plan but I remember years ago as a kid planting trees. In fact why are why blaming the production or release of CO2 and not the fact that we humans have been deforesting the planet since we figured out how to farm. How much impact has the deforestation of the planet increase the CO2 levels?
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Well, here we go again... Of the Scientific work that has been peer reviewed the overwhelming consensus is that global warming is real and its leading to climate change... Amongst those who KNOW the science, there is NO doubt what so ever. PERIOD. Get over it, suck it up or whatever else but the verdict is in and it's guilty as charged.
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Originally Posted by PeterEde
What about the fact that atmospheric CO2 has been up as high as 4000ppm and the life thrived?
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Yep, but NOT US! If you want to try living in a 4000 ppm state, please completely seal a room in your house and stay in there for a couple of days... Report back.
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Originally Posted by PeterEde
CO2 even at todays levels are far from toxic and have not been proven one iota to be the cause of any warming esp when we've had no warming for 15 years now?
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Nobody said CO2 was toxic, but to much of it will sure wreck your day. Quote whatever denialist claims you like, I refer to the above.
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Plants die without CO2 We die without plants.
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Also true, but the carbon cycle is a dynamic equilibrium that must be maintained within certain limits or the biosphere starts dialing out species... Come on, this is BASIC science
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Originally Posted by PeterEde
One volcano can produce more CO2 in one week than Australia in a year.
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Yeah. So what? We are adding to the background releases and it's causing problems. Again, there is NO serious dispute in the Scientific community
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Originally Posted by PeterEde
China building how many coal burners now as well as nuclear reactors (hedging their bet?)
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Point being? Coal burners take a lot less time to build. Their population is stupidly high and they are trying to meet demand. They are also investing massive amount in renewables. Maybe they are responding to the fact that its to frigging toxic to breathe outside in many areas and the population is starting to defy the firing squads.
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Originally Posted by PeterEde
We've had how many ice ages long before man and the industrial age. Infact aren't we still in an ice age as long as there's ice on the poles?
Greenland was in fact Green once.
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Yeah. So what? Whats the point? Are you happy to just go along with the way things are? We appear to be at the start of the next catastrophic global extinction... Do you REALLY, REALLY want to do anything to risk make that worse???? Try this experiment. Stick some coal in a bucket, light it up. When its burning strongly, stick your face in the smoke. Breath deep. Record the reaction. Apply to planet earth...
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Originally Posted by PeterEde
People derided Abbotts direct action plan but I remember years ago as a kid planting trees. In fact why are why blaming the production or release of CO2 and not the fact that we humans have been deforesting the planet since we figured out how to farm. How much impact has the deforestation of the planet increase the CO2 levels?
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Funnily enough, for generations people have been fighting to protect forests around the world and deforestation has massively accelerated in the last century; its called industrial logging and we are dropping a Belgium a year at the moment. Sustainable???
Yep, trees suck up CO2 but most of it gets released again when the tree dies.. decomposition, (you know, part of the carbon cycle)
The problem is, you release all that FOSSIL carbon, the stuff that's been sucked out of the atmosphere for millennia, and BURIED, and you have a recipe for deep ****e guaranteed. Abbotts a moron; totally owned by big coal and making a laughing stock of Australia on the international stage. This dim witted twit ripped $100 million out of the CSIRO and gave it to bible-bashers in schools. Speaks volumes for his other policies, including "direct obfuscation"
Really folks... It is scary that people with an interest in Science should argue over really basic stuff or is it, as I heard on the radio this morning, that policy on climate change is driven by political ideology rather than rational thinking? REALLY????
What are you going to say to your kids when you hand them a devastated planet? We didn't know??? B.S.