I missed your question Rod, I gave up star hopping about 4 years ago when I got the ARGO NAVIS, Robert Evans I aint and as I need to see as many galaxies in a night as possible a DSC is the way for me.
Andrew at nearly 13th mag this is not abright object, but on a good night is very pronounced in the 9mmPlossl 203xmag
and is easily seen as a ring in the 13mmNagler at 140xmag
