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Thanks guys, my daughter convinced me to take the big rig, the 8" portable pier mounted newt. The increase in resolution and image size (over my 4" and 5" refractors) at prime focus is worth the extra setup effort. It was really hard to see first up, I knew where it should be so I kept scanning with binoculars and it slowly faded into veiw. The other reason I picked the surf club was because it was a beach with a background this was ok wide field but not for the scope.
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