[QUOTE=Wavytone;1073128]You're unlikely to see it before 3rd contact because it will be so low on the horizon
(Thanks Wavy, what about viewing from Mount Lofty - the tallest Adelaide "pimple" reaching the dizzy height of 727m) the fully eclipsed moon is almost impossible to see due to (a) the murky air) and (b) the background sky will still be brighter than the moon
(Dang 
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Not impossible if you had the ideal location and ideal weather, just highly improbable. Good luck trying !
Still I will try, the weather at least should not cloudy, plus windy 10-15 knots - don't know if this is good or not.
BTW there was a lunar eclipse many years ago in which the sun rose as the moon set fully eclipsed. With the help of refraction it was possible to see both simultaneously for a few seconds, as I had clear air and was observing it from Mt Stromlo
(Lucky you 
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Claire.
BTW I have a supposedly fast scope f5, why does f15 rule?