Thanks Alexander I really do appreciate it and no your post wasn't too long and because I do a fair bit of camping I will catchup with you at a gathering one night a buy you a cuppa

and learn a thing or 12
Found these guys who are relativly close by, the price is a little high ( but unsure) but that's ok I wont have to wait for the mail, but will hold off spending too much on this little scope until I go nuts with the next one
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/190935018...84.m1423.l2649
For the price I've paid for this scope when taking into account just how much fun I've gotten out of it so far was a great little buy but as said the clarity of the magnification and detail is missing a lot, yup I still have scope envy